Poignant, sad, pessimistic. They are coming for our souls indeed. Satan cannot create and is jealous of God's Creations, so inverts, subverts and corrupts. I believe I am a cockroach or a rat, immune to their filth. When my meat suit expires my soul will be intact. The love of my family, wider humanity and nature is tangible, an energy that will always exist even if forgotten. They cannot take that away. Rest In Peace. Prayers are with you.
We have all got our constraints and demons we are battling yet keep going best we can. Noone should beat themselves up for offloading. I got empathy but got to see it through.
I will continue with my 47 year old natural foods and healing, food is medicine approach as long as I can. I am incredibly blessed to have deeply committed local farmers and ranchers in my area. I have loyally supported their work for years. I may be in the best health I have ever been at 71 years of age.
For what it’s worth I have enjoyed reading your stack the last few months. I listened .. I heard.. I understand exactly what you’re saying .. I too , feel as you do .
Making peace with my maker and looking for the courage it will take to live .. or not.. at what’s coming next . 😢
I hope we meet on the other side . Bless you Val 💕💕
I’m sorry that you won’t read this. There’s good news. The Pathocracy WILL collapse. All false gods — and the leaders of the Pathocracy are trying to become gods — will be destroyed. Every body of every human being has been redeemed by the Infinite and Eternal Atonement of the true and living GOD, who was in Christ Jesus. GOD atoned for the sins of the world and redeemed our corruptible bodies. Our souls belong to GOD.
This is a battle for our minds. Our minds belong to us, because GOD has irrevocably given human beings AGENCY*. Human beings are in charge of our own volition and ambition and motivation. The only one who can control your mind is YOU. Take charge. Be strong.
*AGENCY: the ability and privilege God gives us to choose and to act for ourselves.
Thank you for your perspective; as a spiritual being, I agree that Truth will win. However, I also believe there will be more pain and, thus, I hold no judgement on our tired and weary warriors who have awakened many of us, myself included, and who now lay down their weapons to rest. It is for us, the remnant, to pick up their batons and keep up the fight. We, who believe, are commanded to shine the light ahead and spread the Truth. It is a small price for our salvation from the eternal damnation the evil, unrepentant will experience, should we, the awakened, not reach them in time. As much pain as has been inflicted on humanity by Satan and his misery, Christ believed we were all worthy of redemption; enough to die for each of us. I use the Lord’s Prayer as my mantra, to restore my soul daily and move myself forward, even with difficulty some days, but forever expressing gratitude for my knowing and embracing the Truth and utilizing my gifts to bring the Kingdom of God to earth. Thank you to all His warriors of Truth!
I love the LORD’s prayer. I know that I need to be in the spirit and in the attitude of prayer — we’re told to “pray unceasingly” — therefore, utilizing the Lord’s Prayer as a mantra is a really good idea.
One of the aphorisms I try to remember and practice and share is “We’re not material & mortal beings having spiritual experiences; we’re spiritual beings having a mortal & material experience.”
The devil and his angels and his demons and his (embodied and disembodied) servants want all of humanity miserable. GOD and GOD’s anointed one, Christ, want us to have a fullness of Joy. We cannot be joyful and happy and blissful if we are still abiding in sin, transgression, iniquity. What Are (1) sin, (2) iniquity, and (3) transgression in the scriptures? (1)Missing the goal. (2) Distorting good. (3) Violating trust. Maybe this gives us some useful insight into “Do not allow us to be led into temptation”. I don’t ever want to be tempted again to deviate from the goal GOD & Christ wills for me AND to distort what GOD & Christ has revealed to be good AND to break trust/faith with GOD & Christ.
The warriors who leave the field are doing so because they are fighting without Jesus in their hearts and no human can find the necessary strength to continue on their own in this war.
Jesus showed us the way and it's not through physical prowess or, God forbid, killing one another. It's through the power of love which gives all for the sake of the beloved.
He taught us to love our enemies not to make their way easier, but to defeat their cold hate filled hearts with a love that conquers all the hatred they can muster.
He told us to turn the other cheek not in a show of submission, but a triumph. Take both cheeks. Take my entire body. Because you will never have my soul or my spirit that belong now and forever to my God. You will never snatch me from His hand.
Given that only a minority of the people will ever wake up, are you thinking that you are part of a movement — such as a free-your-mind movement — or are you thinking that everything is an individual struggle? I’m taking an informal poll of those of us who are reasonably certain that the mass of the people are hopelessly beyond reach, i.e. doomed to their fate.
Not part of any movement and not entirely alone, but almost.
95% of the people I meet are fully jabbed and complaint.
That unfortunately includes everyone else in both our families.
They are all beyond reach, but hopefully not all doomed.
So I suspect it will end up as a small group struggle of likeminded individuals, rather than a large cohesive group action, unless the sheep do awaken and realise what has been done to them.
At this point I am just observing with interest and expecting the worst.
Beautifully said. I am doing much the same. Savoring my family. Teaching them the "old recipes", how to bake bread and brownies. Meditating under the full moon. Loving my buddies Bitty the Pitty, and Prince, a too fat cat rescued from a local feral colony. There is a touching scene in the cartoon "The Boondocks", Hughie is done and says to his grandad, "Grandad, what do you do when there's nothing you can do?" Grandad smiles gently and says, "You do what you can." And be grateful that you know what your soul is worth.
Those things in life that you love, the existence of love in your heart is what is most important. None of this makes sense, dark times, the ultimate test. May you be blessed and blessed again, love and light sister.
I know this is a somber post, and you've since resumed posting, but your post title triggered my gallows humor. I watch a lot of comedy to keep my spirits up. One particular funny guy is a firemedic. He says there are three ways to cope with the profoundly traumatizing events experienced by those in his field:
> Addiction, alcohol and drugs etc.
> Depression, which runs the risk of suicide
> Dark humor, which is his path as his videos are joking about the horrifying things he sees.
I would add a 4th, faith. I'm not religious, but I'm also not foolish enough to believe life is only flesh and blood. And I do believe there is a battle between light and dark, good and evil, I see it playing out every day. I also use humor, sometimes dark, sometimes light hearted.
So I recommend this funny video, the end part with the horse gets me every time :
I will watch the video, thanks. :) In spite of my grimness, I try to keep comingn back to the fight with the only weapon left to me....my voice, as much as I can. I too have a darker sense of humour (one of my teen dates was with a boy who worked in a crematorium. I learned early) and it often stands me in good stead. Sometimes though it just becomes so overwhelming and when I feel I can't cope I have to step away and remember to breathe. There are few of us now untouched by it all but for many of course, it's personal. So many loved ones lost. I too am losing a grandson and have "lost" family members due to my views. I try to fight for those who'll survive despite being injected. But it's hard when those I encounter who are multishot tend to be walking routers and drones now with clearly no mind of their own. That's terrifying. On the plus side, it also spurs me to resist as much as I can.
Not conventionally religious either but I am spiritual. One of the first things they did was Crisprcas out the "god gene" responsible for our ability to emote positively, to find inspiration in spirituality and to love and feel compassion. It's why many jabbed can no longer have meaningful relationships with their families. I too believe there's a good against evil war happening. We've been programmed to believe good always wins. This time though, I think if we don't start literally fighting soon, we may not.
There's my downfall, lol...too much realism.
Thanks for the link, Kiwi! Keep smiling at what merits it and above all, keep fighting. x :)
Your post speaks to the suffering that your purpose to wake up the masses and bring about the end of the insanity being wrought on us the people has failed. I am the same generation as you .. born 1950 and can relate to “this is not what life was meant to be like “despair.
The book Jonathon “Livingston Seagull” puts it so clearly, written by Richard Bach, it’s our era, published 1972 and reprinted 1974
Jonathon is a lone seagull wanting to extract himself and his thinking from the “Breakfast flock”. The breakfast flock are the mass of birds he was born into. Jonathon didn’t want to be like them with their mediocrity and limiting ideas and bullying on how a seagull should behave. Jonathon wanted to fly higher and faster than any gull. He wanted to ”fly as fast as thought to anywhere that is; to achieve that purpose he had to stop seeing himself as trapped inside a limited body that had a 42” wingspan and performance that could be measured; he had to know “that his true nature lived as an unwritten number, every where at once across time and space”
What has that got to do with me I can hear you ask.
We each of us are here in this universe for a reason, our purpose, but have we asked what that really is, who am I? what am I ? at essence and what do I need to do to achieve my purpose ? What are my limiting ideas? How do those ideas colour my viewpoint and only let me see what aligns to those ideas? Is it really others’ ideas I am limited by? In other words, my freedom depends on me identifying and inspecting the validity of ideas that stop me from willingly “expanding my wing power”
It is not about what others can do for me!
I have to be able to make things go right come hell or high water!
The breakfast flock may scream I am going to poison your mind, your body but Val remember this they cannot touch the eternal you if you do not let them.
Can you see that the real mission is the recovery and rehabilitation of the eternal you/me and it begins with each of us by recognising our true purpose (that could span many lifetimes to achieve) and identifying the limiting ideas that don’t accord with the eternal you/me and letting them go and practising life with out them.
Our only job to perform is “never fear”. I think we all asked to be here to play the game. I think they are hijacking our minds but they can’t take our souls unless we give it to them. I don’t think we are here to save the world albeit it feels noble to try. It gives our true power to the negative frequencies when we focus on the hopelessness of our realities. It’s difficult to ignore but we must focus on our own souls. Just my little 2cents mostly talking to myself...I’m learning how to love and appreciate my creators’ creation:)
Thank you for all your efforts, passion and long life of waging the good fight. I hope you can take some comfort in the following:
“But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, so that the people are not warned, and the sword comes, and takes any one of them; that man is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at the watchman’s hand.”, Ezekiel 33:6. You have been a faithful watchman on the wall. You have tried to do good and oppose evil and that is a life well spent. The first principle of the natural law, (do good, avoid/oppose evil) has been either totally abandoned with the post-modern inability to recognize the existence of objective truth or short-circuited by those who try to promote good in a half-hearted way, but instead of opposing evil, simply ignore it. To ignore evil while personally/publicly doing good but not opposing evil, is to allow it to flourish. That is to make oneself complicit in evil as surely as if one intended to act malevolently from the beginning. Many have done this which you rightfully alluded to which is one of the main reasons humanity is in this mess. Tragically, the process began centuries ago and is apparently about to end in exactly the way Christ predicted when answering his disciple's questions with respect to what signs would indicate the destruction of Jerusalem and the imminent end of the age (end of the physical world). His reply is found in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 where he provides information about each of those events. I encourage all to read them and consider current events in light of them. Also read, 2 Thessalonians 2, Revelation 13, 18:4 and Daniel 9:27, 12:1-13.
I would guess I'm about your age and agree with so much of what you have said. I am reminded of some scripture about the folly in trusting in men rather than in God:
“It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in men”, Psalms 118:8. This might be summarized as, ‘trust no one but God.’ Similarly, “Thus says the LORD; Cursed is the man who trusts in man, and makes flesh his arm, whose heart turns away from the LORD”, Jeremiah 17:5 and “Turn away from man in whose nostrils is breath, for of what account is he”? Isaiah 2:22.
May God bless you and bring you comfort in your trials.
The prophecy in the bible predicts exactly what is happening. Try and look at Jack Hibbs YouTube videos on the Daze of deception, he has a book coming in February as well.
Don’t despair, there is amazing hope to come, but trials first. Of 1500 biblical prophecy 1000 have come to pass, how’s that for statistical impossibility? The 500 that are left say a lot about these end times.
How do we demonstrate to these tyrants the fact of their own mortality? What does it take to get a series of mass “mostly peaceful protests” focused on the bullies, underway?
Poignant, sad, pessimistic. They are coming for our souls indeed. Satan cannot create and is jealous of God's Creations, so inverts, subverts and corrupts. I believe I am a cockroach or a rat, immune to their filth. When my meat suit expires my soul will be intact. The love of my family, wider humanity and nature is tangible, an energy that will always exist even if forgotten. They cannot take that away. Rest In Peace. Prayers are with you.
I have heard about the Swedish winter blues but seldom seen it so clearly expressed. You may be defeated but I am not.
I am the fat lady - and I ain't singing until this shit is over and done with and we are all smiling again.
YES
We have all got our constraints and demons we are battling yet keep going best we can. Noone should beat themselves up for offloading. I got empathy but got to see it through.
I will continue with my 47 year old natural foods and healing, food is medicine approach as long as I can. I am incredibly blessed to have deeply committed local farmers and ranchers in my area. I have loyally supported their work for years. I may be in the best health I have ever been at 71 years of age.
For what it’s worth I have enjoyed reading your stack the last few months. I listened .. I heard.. I understand exactly what you’re saying .. I too , feel as you do .
Making peace with my maker and looking for the courage it will take to live .. or not.. at what’s coming next . 😢
I hope we meet on the other side . Bless you Val 💕💕
I’m sorry that you won’t read this. There’s good news. The Pathocracy WILL collapse. All false gods — and the leaders of the Pathocracy are trying to become gods — will be destroyed. Every body of every human being has been redeemed by the Infinite and Eternal Atonement of the true and living GOD, who was in Christ Jesus. GOD atoned for the sins of the world and redeemed our corruptible bodies. Our souls belong to GOD.
This is a battle for our minds. Our minds belong to us, because GOD has irrevocably given human beings AGENCY*. Human beings are in charge of our own volition and ambition and motivation. The only one who can control your mind is YOU. Take charge. Be strong.
*AGENCY: the ability and privilege God gives us to choose and to act for ourselves.
Thank you for your perspective; as a spiritual being, I agree that Truth will win. However, I also believe there will be more pain and, thus, I hold no judgement on our tired and weary warriors who have awakened many of us, myself included, and who now lay down their weapons to rest. It is for us, the remnant, to pick up their batons and keep up the fight. We, who believe, are commanded to shine the light ahead and spread the Truth. It is a small price for our salvation from the eternal damnation the evil, unrepentant will experience, should we, the awakened, not reach them in time. As much pain as has been inflicted on humanity by Satan and his misery, Christ believed we were all worthy of redemption; enough to die for each of us. I use the Lord’s Prayer as my mantra, to restore my soul daily and move myself forward, even with difficulty some days, but forever expressing gratitude for my knowing and embracing the Truth and utilizing my gifts to bring the Kingdom of God to earth. Thank you to all His warriors of Truth!
I love the LORD’s prayer. I know that I need to be in the spirit and in the attitude of prayer — we’re told to “pray unceasingly” — therefore, utilizing the Lord’s Prayer as a mantra is a really good idea.
One of the aphorisms I try to remember and practice and share is “We’re not material & mortal beings having spiritual experiences; we’re spiritual beings having a mortal & material experience.”
The devil and his angels and his demons and his (embodied and disembodied) servants want all of humanity miserable. GOD and GOD’s anointed one, Christ, want us to have a fullness of Joy. We cannot be joyful and happy and blissful if we are still abiding in sin, transgression, iniquity. What Are (1) sin, (2) iniquity, and (3) transgression in the scriptures? (1)Missing the goal. (2) Distorting good. (3) Violating trust. Maybe this gives us some useful insight into “Do not allow us to be led into temptation”. I don’t ever want to be tempted again to deviate from the goal GOD & Christ wills for me AND to distort what GOD & Christ has revealed to be good AND to break trust/faith with GOD & Christ.
The warriors who leave the field are doing so because they are fighting without Jesus in their hearts and no human can find the necessary strength to continue on their own in this war.
Jesus showed us the way and it's not through physical prowess or, God forbid, killing one another. It's through the power of love which gives all for the sake of the beloved.
He taught us to love our enemies not to make their way easier, but to defeat their cold hate filled hearts with a love that conquers all the hatred they can muster.
He told us to turn the other cheek not in a show of submission, but a triumph. Take both cheeks. Take my entire body. Because you will never have my soul or my spirit that belong now and forever to my God. You will never snatch me from His hand.
That is victory. God Bless.
The overwhelming majority of people will not wake up to reality, no matter how much evidence you show them.
So there is no point in harming yourself with the effort of trying to awaken the great mass of unthinking sheep.
Pity them, but don't sacrifice yourselves for their blind ignorance and contempt.
Look after you and yours and have links with like minded people for when it all goes tits up.
Maybe the elites have all of this planned out and have thought of every possible angle, but....
Maybe once the dust settles it will be up to us to bollox up all of their plans and ruin it for them as much as we can.
Everything that has a beginning also has an end.
How we get there will be up to us.
Given that only a minority of the people will ever wake up, are you thinking that you are part of a movement — such as a free-your-mind movement — or are you thinking that everything is an individual struggle? I’m taking an informal poll of those of us who are reasonably certain that the mass of the people are hopelessly beyond reach, i.e. doomed to their fate.
Not part of any movement and not entirely alone, but almost.
95% of the people I meet are fully jabbed and complaint.
That unfortunately includes everyone else in both our families.
They are all beyond reach, but hopefully not all doomed.
So I suspect it will end up as a small group struggle of likeminded individuals, rather than a large cohesive group action, unless the sheep do awaken and realise what has been done to them.
At this point I am just observing with interest and expecting the worst.
Thanks for your reply. I’m just trying to focus my thinking on the subject of compliance versus it’s opposite.
WORD
Beautifully said. I am doing much the same. Savoring my family. Teaching them the "old recipes", how to bake bread and brownies. Meditating under the full moon. Loving my buddies Bitty the Pitty, and Prince, a too fat cat rescued from a local feral colony. There is a touching scene in the cartoon "The Boondocks", Hughie is done and says to his grandad, "Grandad, what do you do when there's nothing you can do?" Grandad smiles gently and says, "You do what you can." And be grateful that you know what your soul is worth.
Amen
Those things in life that you love, the existence of love in your heart is what is most important. None of this makes sense, dark times, the ultimate test. May you be blessed and blessed again, love and light sister.
I know this is a somber post, and you've since resumed posting, but your post title triggered my gallows humor. I watch a lot of comedy to keep my spirits up. One particular funny guy is a firemedic. He says there are three ways to cope with the profoundly traumatizing events experienced by those in his field:
> Addiction, alcohol and drugs etc.
> Depression, which runs the risk of suicide
> Dark humor, which is his path as his videos are joking about the horrifying things he sees.
I would add a 4th, faith. I'm not religious, but I'm also not foolish enough to believe life is only flesh and blood. And I do believe there is a battle between light and dark, good and evil, I see it playing out every day. I also use humor, sometimes dark, sometimes light hearted.
So I recommend this funny video, the end part with the horse gets me every time :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZuqe9-Ve70
I have young kids, so I'll fight to my dying breath to continue my work assisting the development of the parallel society in our area :)
I will watch the video, thanks. :) In spite of my grimness, I try to keep comingn back to the fight with the only weapon left to me....my voice, as much as I can. I too have a darker sense of humour (one of my teen dates was with a boy who worked in a crematorium. I learned early) and it often stands me in good stead. Sometimes though it just becomes so overwhelming and when I feel I can't cope I have to step away and remember to breathe. There are few of us now untouched by it all but for many of course, it's personal. So many loved ones lost. I too am losing a grandson and have "lost" family members due to my views. I try to fight for those who'll survive despite being injected. But it's hard when those I encounter who are multishot tend to be walking routers and drones now with clearly no mind of their own. That's terrifying. On the plus side, it also spurs me to resist as much as I can.
Not conventionally religious either but I am spiritual. One of the first things they did was Crisprcas out the "god gene" responsible for our ability to emote positively, to find inspiration in spirituality and to love and feel compassion. It's why many jabbed can no longer have meaningful relationships with their families. I too believe there's a good against evil war happening. We've been programmed to believe good always wins. This time though, I think if we don't start literally fighting soon, we may not.
There's my downfall, lol...too much realism.
Thanks for the link, Kiwi! Keep smiling at what merits it and above all, keep fighting. x :)
I am leaving a comment in defiance! Your voice is heard. Your light is seen. Your job is not done! Your warrior energy is working on many levels!
Dear Val
Your post speaks to the suffering that your purpose to wake up the masses and bring about the end of the insanity being wrought on us the people has failed. I am the same generation as you .. born 1950 and can relate to “this is not what life was meant to be like “despair.
The book Jonathon “Livingston Seagull” puts it so clearly, written by Richard Bach, it’s our era, published 1972 and reprinted 1974
Jonathon is a lone seagull wanting to extract himself and his thinking from the “Breakfast flock”. The breakfast flock are the mass of birds he was born into. Jonathon didn’t want to be like them with their mediocrity and limiting ideas and bullying on how a seagull should behave. Jonathon wanted to fly higher and faster than any gull. He wanted to ”fly as fast as thought to anywhere that is; to achieve that purpose he had to stop seeing himself as trapped inside a limited body that had a 42” wingspan and performance that could be measured; he had to know “that his true nature lived as an unwritten number, every where at once across time and space”
What has that got to do with me I can hear you ask.
We each of us are here in this universe for a reason, our purpose, but have we asked what that really is, who am I? what am I ? at essence and what do I need to do to achieve my purpose ? What are my limiting ideas? How do those ideas colour my viewpoint and only let me see what aligns to those ideas? Is it really others’ ideas I am limited by? In other words, my freedom depends on me identifying and inspecting the validity of ideas that stop me from willingly “expanding my wing power”
It is not about what others can do for me!
I have to be able to make things go right come hell or high water!
The breakfast flock may scream I am going to poison your mind, your body but Val remember this they cannot touch the eternal you if you do not let them.
Can you see that the real mission is the recovery and rehabilitation of the eternal you/me and it begins with each of us by recognising our true purpose (that could span many lifetimes to achieve) and identifying the limiting ideas that don’t accord with the eternal you/me and letting them go and practising life with out them.
Our only job to perform is “never fear”. I think we all asked to be here to play the game. I think they are hijacking our minds but they can’t take our souls unless we give it to them. I don’t think we are here to save the world albeit it feels noble to try. It gives our true power to the negative frequencies when we focus on the hopelessness of our realities. It’s difficult to ignore but we must focus on our own souls. Just my little 2cents mostly talking to myself...I’m learning how to love and appreciate my creators’ creation:)
Thank you for all your efforts, passion and long life of waging the good fight. I hope you can take some comfort in the following:
“But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, so that the people are not warned, and the sword comes, and takes any one of them; that man is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at the watchman’s hand.”, Ezekiel 33:6. You have been a faithful watchman on the wall. You have tried to do good and oppose evil and that is a life well spent. The first principle of the natural law, (do good, avoid/oppose evil) has been either totally abandoned with the post-modern inability to recognize the existence of objective truth or short-circuited by those who try to promote good in a half-hearted way, but instead of opposing evil, simply ignore it. To ignore evil while personally/publicly doing good but not opposing evil, is to allow it to flourish. That is to make oneself complicit in evil as surely as if one intended to act malevolently from the beginning. Many have done this which you rightfully alluded to which is one of the main reasons humanity is in this mess. Tragically, the process began centuries ago and is apparently about to end in exactly the way Christ predicted when answering his disciple's questions with respect to what signs would indicate the destruction of Jerusalem and the imminent end of the age (end of the physical world). His reply is found in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 where he provides information about each of those events. I encourage all to read them and consider current events in light of them. Also read, 2 Thessalonians 2, Revelation 13, 18:4 and Daniel 9:27, 12:1-13.
I would guess I'm about your age and agree with so much of what you have said. I am reminded of some scripture about the folly in trusting in men rather than in God:
“It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in men”, Psalms 118:8. This might be summarized as, ‘trust no one but God.’ Similarly, “Thus says the LORD; Cursed is the man who trusts in man, and makes flesh his arm, whose heart turns away from the LORD”, Jeremiah 17:5 and “Turn away from man in whose nostrils is breath, for of what account is he”? Isaiah 2:22.
May God bless you and bring you comfort in your trials.
Same page, same age, here...
But after hearing your wolf speak as you related,
no comment seems possible...I'm silenced.
Your vigor. courage and coherence are astounding
and your presence is indelible,
Not to mention the name; I'm laughing
because life is more real than reality.... even as I
remain ignorant and slow. Three lions lay down in the road,
first two and then a third piled on, stopping traffic. They weren't moving.
The truckers got out of their trucks. Stopped trucking.
Somewhere in Tanzania.
The prophecy in the bible predicts exactly what is happening. Try and look at Jack Hibbs YouTube videos on the Daze of deception, he has a book coming in February as well.
Don’t despair, there is amazing hope to come, but trials first. Of 1500 biblical prophecy 1000 have come to pass, how’s that for statistical impossibility? The 500 that are left say a lot about these end times.
How do we demonstrate to these tyrants the fact of their own mortality? What does it take to get a series of mass “mostly peaceful protests” focused on the bullies, underway?